Lost squeeage!
Sep. 21st, 2005 10:22 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
auntiemeeshI wasn't sure I was going to be able to watch Lost tonight, but I managed it. Closed in record time at the coffee shop and got home with plenty of time to spare. ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
lyda_pearl, Mr. P and I went up to the tech college where there is a big screen tv in the student lounge, in order to have a mini viewing party. Of course we got there and found out that the lounge closes at nine. D'oh! However, the very nice cleaning woman didn't care and let us in, recognizing Lyda Pearl and Mr. P as faculty. It's been fun having my sister and her husband get so into the show, we've been going around for the past few days bouncing theories and thoughts and ideas off each other.
It was great fun to have a new episode to watch! Many interesting developments, marred only a little by a slightly lame flashback and the predictability of Jack, Locke and Kate's behavior.
So, my thoughts are, as always, fairly chaotic, random, jumbled and slightly incoherent. Sorry about that. I guess I just don't have a very organized brain.
Ah, it's so nice to write that again. :D Okay, on to business.
"Man of Science, Man of Faith" - Nothing subtle there, eh? Jack and Locke aren't going to need mouldy old dynamite to blow things up. Pretty soon the friction between the two of them is going to just ignite. Neither of them is willing to budge an inch on anything, no matter how trivial or serious and it just makes me want to slap both of them. But I did have to laugh at how much it must have pained Jack to know that Locke and Kate were off exploring without him, even though he disapproved of the exploration. So of course he goes running to see what's happening, leaving all three main leaders of the group inside the hatch. It will be interesting to see who takes over in their absence, or if the group fractures. This would be a perfect opportunity for Sayid to step up to the plate, but I don't know that he really wants to.
Aside from the introduction of Desmond, Jack's flashback was uninspiring. We already knew how he met Sarah and we already knew that she was going to walk again. It seems to me that it would have been more pointed if this had been an explanation of how Jack got faith, but since he doesn't believe in *anything*, it just made my jaw ache.
How long ago did Jack meet Sarah? That hair was - interesting. It certainly made him look younger, but it was hard to place the time period. By the time he married her, two years later, he and his father were both looking pretty much the same as they look now (except for the fact that papa Shephard is dead now). How long has this Desmond guy been in this underground complex, how did he end up on the island, and even more importantly, what was the quarantine seal for? Keeping in mind that it was written on the inside, not the outside, it's clearly to keep whoever is in the hatch from coming out into a dangerous environment, rather than the other way around. So, is the island (or was it at some point) radioactive? Does it have some strange contagion? Danielle Rousseau was very vague in her explanation about the illness that took her husband and crew, saying only that she had to kill them to prevent them from taking it back with them should they be rescued.
This leads to a plethora of theories about the island.lyda_pearl and I have been doing some conjecturing about the nature of the island. It seems certainly possible that it was being used as a military/science research post at some point in the past. Most likely by Americans or another english speaking nation. Were they trying to create bio-weapons here, which ran amok, contaminating the island?
My theory on the numbers is that they are the project identification code. That would explain why they were stamped into the metal of the hatch and why they were being broadcast until Danielle recorded over them. I think that the people involved in the research (which was almost certainly top secret) were trying to reach their contact person within whichever government they looked to, and sent out the repeating numbers as a call. I also think it's likely the gov't has forgotten all about this secret establishment, which would explain why no one ever answered. Most likely there were only a very few people who knew what the project was and what the numbers represented and somewhere along the line the chain was broken and the project was simply lost. Why the numbers seem to carry such a mixed blessing with them (leaving the user of them safe, but causing irreparable damage to those around the user) is still a total mystery to me.
Okay, sorry about that side journey, back to the mission at hand, tonight's episode. So, what about that weird vision Shannon had in the jungle, while looking for Vincent? It was a little on the creepy side, I thought. My guess is that Shannon must have some small amount of psychic tendency that allowed her to be receptive to a call for help from Walt, who seems to have a rather stronger psychic ability, from all that we've seen. Why he appeared as if he was drowning is a little strange. I couldn't make out what he was saying and will have to watch that part over again if I get the chance. He was definitely trying to tell her something and it will be interesting to see who believes her and who thinks she's just hallucinating.
I'm worried about Charlie. His insistence that the Others are just a lie that Rousseau has been feeding them smacks of insecurity. I don't think he really believes it himself, deep down, but he really, really wants to so he's talking very loud in order to convince himself as much as anyone else. And now he's got a statuette full of heroin. Heroin that's been lying about for who knows how long. There's no way he's not going to give in and use some of it at some point. I foresee badness aplenty heading his direction, but it should be entertaining, as druggie!Charlie is always entertaining, even when he's not very likable. Plus, that means he gets to go through withdrawal again when he tries to quit again (which I'm sure he will). The main thing I'm worried about though is an overdose. It seems quite possible that when he breaks down and takes some, he'll have a bad reaction. *wants to protect Charlie from his self-destructive impulses* You know, in some ways he reminds me of Charlie in Eight Cousins, by Louisa May Alcott. Very charming and sweet, but not strong enough to turn away from his vices, and in the end (in the sequel, Rose in Bloom) he loses everything. I think in some ways our Charlie is stronger than that, but he's not been off the drugs for so long that it will be easy for him to resist. At some point, he's going to be hurting and weak and the heroin will be right there, calling his name.
lyda_pearl, Mr. P and I went up to the tech college where there is a big screen tv in the student lounge, in order to have a mini viewing party. Of course we got there and found out that the lounge closes at nine. D'oh! However, the very nice cleaning woman didn't care and let us in, recognizing Lyda Pearl and Mr. P as faculty. It's been fun having my sister and her husband get so into the show, we've been going around for the past few days bouncing theories and thoughts and ideas off each other. It was great fun to have a new episode to watch! Many interesting developments, marred only a little by a slightly lame flashback and the predictability of Jack, Locke and Kate's behavior.
So, my thoughts are, as always, fairly chaotic, random, jumbled and slightly incoherent. Sorry about that. I guess I just don't have a very organized brain.
Ah, it's so nice to write that again. :D Okay, on to business.
"Man of Science, Man of Faith" - Nothing subtle there, eh? Jack and Locke aren't going to need mouldy old dynamite to blow things up. Pretty soon the friction between the two of them is going to just ignite. Neither of them is willing to budge an inch on anything, no matter how trivial or serious and it just makes me want to slap both of them. But I did have to laugh at how much it must have pained Jack to know that Locke and Kate were off exploring without him, even though he disapproved of the exploration. So of course he goes running to see what's happening, leaving all three main leaders of the group inside the hatch. It will be interesting to see who takes over in their absence, or if the group fractures. This would be a perfect opportunity for Sayid to step up to the plate, but I don't know that he really wants to.
Aside from the introduction of Desmond, Jack's flashback was uninspiring. We already knew how he met Sarah and we already knew that she was going to walk again. It seems to me that it would have been more pointed if this had been an explanation of how Jack got faith, but since he doesn't believe in *anything*, it just made my jaw ache.
How long ago did Jack meet Sarah? That hair was - interesting. It certainly made him look younger, but it was hard to place the time period. By the time he married her, two years later, he and his father were both looking pretty much the same as they look now (except for the fact that papa Shephard is dead now). How long has this Desmond guy been in this underground complex, how did he end up on the island, and even more importantly, what was the quarantine seal for? Keeping in mind that it was written on the inside, not the outside, it's clearly to keep whoever is in the hatch from coming out into a dangerous environment, rather than the other way around. So, is the island (or was it at some point) radioactive? Does it have some strange contagion? Danielle Rousseau was very vague in her explanation about the illness that took her husband and crew, saying only that she had to kill them to prevent them from taking it back with them should they be rescued.
This leads to a plethora of theories about the island.
lyda_pearl and I have been doing some conjecturing about the nature of the island. It seems certainly possible that it was being used as a military/science research post at some point in the past. Most likely by Americans or another english speaking nation. Were they trying to create bio-weapons here, which ran amok, contaminating the island? My theory on the numbers is that they are the project identification code. That would explain why they were stamped into the metal of the hatch and why they were being broadcast until Danielle recorded over them. I think that the people involved in the research (which was almost certainly top secret) were trying to reach their contact person within whichever government they looked to, and sent out the repeating numbers as a call. I also think it's likely the gov't has forgotten all about this secret establishment, which would explain why no one ever answered. Most likely there were only a very few people who knew what the project was and what the numbers represented and somewhere along the line the chain was broken and the project was simply lost. Why the numbers seem to carry such a mixed blessing with them (leaving the user of them safe, but causing irreparable damage to those around the user) is still a total mystery to me.
Okay, sorry about that side journey, back to the mission at hand, tonight's episode. So, what about that weird vision Shannon had in the jungle, while looking for Vincent? It was a little on the creepy side, I thought. My guess is that Shannon must have some small amount of psychic tendency that allowed her to be receptive to a call for help from Walt, who seems to have a rather stronger psychic ability, from all that we've seen. Why he appeared as if he was drowning is a little strange. I couldn't make out what he was saying and will have to watch that part over again if I get the chance. He was definitely trying to tell her something and it will be interesting to see who believes her and who thinks she's just hallucinating.
I'm worried about Charlie. His insistence that the Others are just a lie that Rousseau has been feeding them smacks of insecurity. I don't think he really believes it himself, deep down, but he really, really wants to so he's talking very loud in order to convince himself as much as anyone else. And now he's got a statuette full of heroin. Heroin that's been lying about for who knows how long. There's no way he's not going to give in and use some of it at some point. I foresee badness aplenty heading his direction, but it should be entertaining, as druggie!Charlie is always entertaining, even when he's not very likable. Plus, that means he gets to go through withdrawal again when he tries to quit again (which I'm sure he will). The main thing I'm worried about though is an overdose. It seems quite possible that when he breaks down and takes some, he'll have a bad reaction. *wants to protect Charlie from his self-destructive impulses* You know, in some ways he reminds me of Charlie in Eight Cousins, by Louisa May Alcott. Very charming and sweet, but not strong enough to turn away from his vices, and in the end (in the sequel, Rose in Bloom) he loses everything. I think in some ways our Charlie is stronger than that, but he's not been off the drugs for so long that it will be easy for him to resist. At some point, he's going to be hurting and weak and the heroin will be right there, calling his name.
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Date: 2005-09-22 12:59 am (UTC)Oh and they made a Golf Course
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Date: 2005-09-22 06:28 am (UTC)Did it with Firefly the other day. Fun was had. Still haven't seen the whole series, but I'm Priming myself ready for Serenity.
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Date: 2005-09-22 06:32 am (UTC)Only one more week before the movie hits, here. I've got my partner in crime all lined up. I was very squeeish last night while watching Lost because they showed a Serenity trailer. My sister and her husband just looked at me as though I was crazy, but I will convince them that the show is shiny, eventually. :D
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Date: 2005-09-22 06:36 am (UTC)Ain't it grand :-D
I think the DVD menus are awesome, the intro and stuff. I could just sit there watching the DVD menu into all day.
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Date: 2005-09-22 01:11 am (UTC)DuggedCharlie is absolutely nice, yes.
I am having a hard time believing that there is someone on the island but then someone reminded me of the people in the boat. Creepy... :)
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Date: 2005-09-22 06:02 am (UTC)When will season two come your way?
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Date: 2005-09-22 05:12 am (UTC)On GMA this morning they showed a deleted scene where Charlie and Jack were arguing, Jack checking Charlie's headwound and Charlie telling Jack that maybe Kate wanted Jack to come after her, or to at least tell her not to go. That would have been nice to stick in there and would have made for a smoother transition to Jack's suddenly appearing at the hatch, but I guess they ran out of time.
The Walt vision was ohhhhh-soooooo-creeeeeeepy! I had chills running up my spine during that scene! And YS figured out way before the end that it was Desmond in the hatch. (How does he bloody do that?) And Locke is starting to annoy me.
And where were Claire and Aaron? Oh, right, I guess she was off feeding him and catching 40 winks now that she has her baby back in her arms. But I did miss seeing them. Maybe next week.
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Date: 2005-09-22 06:02 am (UTC)Sadly, I hadn't figured out that it was Desmond until the telling 'brother' comment. Sometimes I'm a bit slow.
It would be very uplifting if your idea about Charlie and the drugs was true, him rising above the temptation and all. I guess we'll find out what really happens eventually. :D
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Date: 2005-09-22 06:57 am (UTC)Weird how sometimes you pick stuff up and other times you don't. When the Beechcraft turned out to be full of heroin, I didn't even think of Charlie until you mentioned it, Meesh. I'm with Pips - that statue in his bag is for purely spiritual reasons. I think that long pan in on it was just to get us all going, but it doesn't actually have heroin in it. Wish I had seen the deleted scene, but I just couldn't wake up, once again this morning. You didn't happen to tape it, did you Pips?
I didn't mind the Jack/Sarah flashbacks nearly as much as the totally contrived feel of Locke and Kate going back to the hatch right now - I mean, they couldn't wait 3 lousy hours til sunrise? They've all been awake and going full speed ahead ever since Rousseau showed up at sunrise yesterday - it didn't occur to either of these supposedly bright survivalists that getting a few hours of shuteye before attempting something so dangerous would be a good idea? or that daylight would provide much better conditions for belaying someone down that narrow chimney? PLEASE! I didn't understand Jack following Kate after making his speech about staying together any more than Hurley did, but after hearing about the deleted scene, it makes perfect sense. If Jack gets really lucky, he'll find a copy of Codependent No More in Desmond's bunker, and Desmond will keep him prisoner long enough for him to read it.
I thought the Shannon-seeing-Walt bit was the best part of the show, and I love the way Sayid will do anything for her, no matter how crazy he thinks it is. In some way Walt was really there - why else did Vincent run off in just that direction, leading Shannon to the spot. Maybe he looked half drowned because he managed to jump off the boat. As more and more people hear the Whispers, I get more baffled as to what it is. Can't wait til that mystery is explained
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Date: 2005-09-22 07:40 am (UTC)1) "All they wanted was Claire." (AtBChDI)
2) "I know there's a person or people who are trying to hurt us." (WTCMB)
These both suggest that there was a time in which he was more willing to accept that there are Others on the island. What now makes him so adamant that there aren't, when he should have the greatest reason of anyone to believe in their existence?
3) He killed Ethan--a pretty extreme reaction for the reasons he gave (the protection of Claire, whom he admitted to barely know). I tend to think he also had personal reasons. Remember the condition in which he returned from captivity--bruised and battered and ripped from the jaws of death. He insisted so vehemently that Ethan deserved it. And yes, I am taking into account the "you'll never take care of anyone" bit, but it's still pretty extreme.
Therefore, I am of the opinion that Charlie is hiding something. What a neat twist that would be! But I'll probably be disappointed. It's more likely on this show that he's in complete and irrational denial.
And as far as the drugs go, I'm positive that they'll be a huge struggle for him. It wasn't that long ago that he was addicted--less than a month, I think, and at this point, he's probably still having withdrawal symptoms, which at this point would be occasional cravings and bouts of depression. There's no way he just took it for the statue. Besides, what fun would that be?
I am so excited about the introduction of Desmond. I'm looking forward to seeing who he turns out to be, and who he plays for.
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Date: 2005-09-22 12:35 pm (UTC)I totally agree with you on this, lol.
I am of the opinion that Charlie is hiding something.
I think he's just in deep denial. He's had enough traumas stacked upon him that a little denial isn't that hard to believe. I think he's managed to block a lot of the details surrounding Ethan from his conscious memory. Add to that the blow to his head and his brains are probably feeling pretty scrambled right now.
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